What was the swtor economy exploit

Rift had those high end rare nodes that kept spawning that people camped, and Aion had Ap trading. It seems to me that there is always a way to somehow exploit a game in one way or another.

Hopefully as a christian guild we can live in integrity, honesty and truth as we game, setting a Christ like example to others we encounter in Swtor. Aleron Eh? I hope they have a method of reversing the illegit credits and perhaps suspending most egregious abusers.

Or, just give everyone 10 million credits. Please rest assured that anyone found to be in violation of our Terms of Service will have appropriate action taken against them. We will provide more information as it becomes available. Thank you! Allison Berryman Senior Community Coordinator. Click to expand Kahiel Active Member. I've seen something like this in every game I've played. It's sad that people can't just play the game and instead spend time and effort trying to ruin it for others.

Wolfeman Member. Most likely they will do a complete rollback and hand out some bans. Keero Tribe of Judah Membership Administrator. Stick it to those greedy Hutts! Stuff like this is what makes me sad when playing a mmo I got my cool 15k credits.

Now ill never be able to afford anything unless they rollback and get rid of those credits. I never find out about the good bugs until its too late The economy is kinda crazy right now anyway. I see price differences on the GTN of several thousand credits on the same item. Honestly I doubt there will be bans, at least not for everyone who used the exploit. If entire guilds did it then that would be a huge banhammer needed.

I can see taking some of the exploiters money away tho and I think that is fair. If have not noticed many high prices on the GTN, so the money has not dispersed yet.

My hope is that something will happen to people who quite obviously exploited this. I'd like to see something happen and an acknowledgement that BW did something. I'm not concerned too much about it ruining the economy etc just the precedent that people can knowingly exploit and get away with it.

I'm not going to wait around here and hold my breath that this all is going to happen today or even tomorrow though. Been around games where people have majorly exploited, the exploit was outed, fixed and nothing seemed to happen. People think they got away with it and the 'bam' punishment of some sort.

If the do intend to do something and they haven't already been tracking this and got 'the list' before the fix it will take some time to sift through data to make sure they're got the right people.

So yeah I do hope something is going to happen. Not going to fixate on it for now and just go play. Too late now And yes there will likely be some smart exploiters who will get away with it. Such is the way of the world. I agree. But i think in this instance where, across all servers, there exists the possibility that "trillions" of credits have been artificually introduced into the game, Bioware needs to make an immediate response to reassure the community.

Even better, you ever heard the quote "cheaters never prosper"? The exploiters should be perma banned imo. And as per now nobody has explained yet HOW the exploits affects the game itself. All i read is blame, cry, bad boys And the only one that answered was to insult me saying that if i didn't understand then i had no right to participate here BTW, moron.

How a few players with a lot of money can affect the economy of the game? Because they pay more to other players on the kiosk? Because they can buy expensive things? Please explain to me. And explain also why is not considered a exploit the flight missions where you can win more money and experience in an hour than making quests in the game itself in a day? Developers didn't think about the economy on the game in the six years.

And that's why it isnt working. Not because some exploit. And there's been exploits in WoW all its existence and the econonomy of the game never was affected.

But, please, continue to cry wolf. And thanks to the BH pal. I'll try to use your tips next time :. Bottom line is I can only remember 2 MMO's that had credit duping bugs at release. This one and SWG. These type of bugs cannot be allowed to make it onto live servers.

There is obviously a flaw with their testing if this bug was allowed to get through. I mean reading how the exploit was performed it was really simple to do. There's no way it should have gone undetected. You're being pretty naive there if you believe that quote to be true. Kinda funny really, anyone remember the Credits exploit in the early days in SWG?

They had this in Darkfall. The developers there decided not to ban anyone and that's imho what killed the game. From your logic, then: I don't care about you trying to play. My FPS is fine and PvP is fun for me, but the exploits piss me off , enrage me, and are likely to make an economy where everything rare is snapped up by these illegally rich criminals who will buy all rares and everything cheap and resell at ridiculous prices.

There are over a million players, and when , of them can play the game fine, none of us care about the ones who can't. You see how that logic feels turned around? Retarded, isn't it? What's the big deal? I've seen many quotes including this one end up being true one way or another.

You're just being ignorant or more likely just need to get out of your moms basement more often see for yourself. Last time i see this kind of bugs on a live server, was in MU online.. Bioware, we need an explanation on this. Tell that to Wall Street.

Wasn't that some zoneline credit dupe on Tat back then. I don't remember the details but I know who the culprit was. I have heard that phrase but anyone who is not a small child and has any amount of experience with real life will tell you it's a lie I'll try to use your tips next time : OK there are a number of ways, limited only by intelligence, that someone with a lot of credits can change the economy.

An example ; I have lots and lots of credits. I put them all back on at that pre determined sell price. I monitor the GTN and continue this. The rich guy gets richer and everyone else pays inflated prices. This is just one simple example. Bioware has nothing to lose by perma banning the exploiters. If the exploiting was really as "limited" as they're making it out to be, the banning wouldn't be that significant. Further, these people would likely just buy new accounts.

They also damage their reputation as a company. The only other solution is wiping the credits. Even if you only wipe the credits from the exploiters, they probably already have speeder riding 2, expanded banks, epic gear that they purchased, expensive mounts etc and they'd retain all of these things.

This causes an unfair advantage, particularly in the gear dept. I say they ought to permaban all accounts on IPs that exploited. It kills the exploiting account and any alt accounts they had to hide the credits or launder money. In the event of a shared IP, people that feel they were unfairly banned can petition to be reinstated and Bioware can investigate on a case by case basis.

How to become a Billionaire? I just hope BW does something to them soon, and make an effort at salvaging the economy. Ok first off are we absolutly sure this even happened or could it be that some evil game competitor is merly spreadding rumors to damage the popularity of this game Blizzard It's common knowledge that the competition already is paid to go on forums and spread hate and choas to achieve this effect of discouriging new players from even buying the game.

And that is probably gonna cost bioware to do it because they are prob gonna have to do some things that they aren't gonna want to do. Open new servers because a lot of people are not gonna continue to play on a server that has had it's economy ruined forever me included 2.

Completly wipe all servers affected and give players a free month of play essentially start the entire game launch over I would be good with this actually but for some this would be a biggie! Essentially remove all currency from the game This could cause an opposite affect and still ruin the economy 4. This could be a game killer over the long haul and I still would like to see them just completly wipe the servers and force everyone to start a new char at lvl 1.

It's only been a month everyone and with a free month of gameplay I can't see this as a bad thing if you think about it. I have been playing since release and messin around still rolling alts my highest lvl is only lvl 13 anyways. People who have already hit lvl cap should be kicked in the balls anyways for missing all the content to People who lvl to the max in days could easily do so again or in my opinion shouldn't even be playing an MMO in the first place.

Let alone a brand new game that has just been released less than a month ago 5. Best option I can see is completly wipe all servers and give players a free month. Start over from scratch There really is no other option Ban the cheaters and the accounts they hid money on. If Bioware doesn't at least try to fix this in some way and undertakes measures to try to save the servers economy i am out.

This is a huge deal, and it doesnt speak for a company if it just hands out "warnings" for people that completely ruin the game experience for their whole customer-base. I really like this game a lot, but that's going to far. If those exploits don't have any REAL consequences for the people involved Bioware started digging its own grave. Maybe its an European thing, but i take it very personal if companies try to bend me over.

Heck if i wanted that id move to the US ;. Besides doing millions in a mater of minutes, you could also get an infinite number of commendations. Even tracing and deleting all of the currency would be a waste of time. The exploit is fixed delete the cash off of all the accounts that exploited. Keep getting the mat he is trying to corner he will eventually give you all his money, and then he has to reduce his price on the market because no one is buying his auctions I enjoy the speed at which fixes are arriving I'd rather resources were not taken away from everything just to search through an extensive database to track every credit that was made with this exploit.

Why do posters think they should be privy to this kind of information? BioWare may well have done all these things and more. But they don't have to share the details with the forums. In fact, it makes more sense to keep most of their actions behind the scenes. They have already told us that they handled the situation. What exactly is wanted here? A list of baned accounts can't do it?

A full breakdown of their tactics against exploiters would be stupid to do it? The exploit has been patched. BioWare has done "something" in response. Sounds like we should all just get back to enjoying the game. It's not about being privy to private information. It's about setting the minds of your customer-base at ease.

No I'm afraid that wold really not solve the problem. Unless they have a way to remove the illegal credits from the game the only option is a complete server wipe and a freee month of gametime.

C'mon it's only been 3 weeks what is the big deal about starting over? Better to fix it now than wait till people have multiple lvl 50's. Most normal people don't have a lvl 50 yet anyways. And those that are stupid and ding 50 in less than a week could easily do it again no problem if they wanted to repeat thier stupidity! So, these "millions" of credits are out there somewhere. For those that think that "too many credits" in a game economy ruins it, I think this pretty much debunks that idea.

Game economies are a closed circut and as such are not relevant to the natural laws of an economic system. Those millions are not in circulation they are only potentially in there. IF there were to be circulated then and only then would it have a fleeting impact and then only for the briefestt of periods. I am still not sure what happened. Even the link didn't explain how you could sell stacked items for big money.

I have sold stacked items before and got hardly anything for them. They just neeed to roll back the accounts that took part in this exploit, its easy enough to do once they track them all down Or it should be, one would hope there is a system in place to roll back accounts in case of accounts being hacked etc its going to be tracking them all down thats the time consuming part. Having played an MMO that went through a phase of hyper inflation due to an exploit to gain large amounts of in game currency in little time it had a massive effect on that games economy.

Something that days before would have cost the player I love how people compare modern MMOs to real world economics. The problem with inflation is that there are many many many many companies out there all charging for their goods, with their end goal being PROFIT.

Therefore from a general commodities standpoint, there is no inflation. Bioware isn't going to say "wow, so we need to increase the price of thermoplast flux 10 fold!!! Think about this. Say one of these players has 30M credits and they want to level synthweaving. So they buy all the septsilk they want. Or heck, by enough cloth to level them to The problem is, once they get to , they won't be buying the low level cloth The high end cloth they could maybe buy an infinite supply of The money isn't in the system permanently it can't be simply because of credit sinks and they can't possibly spend it fast enough on the GTN the only way it would stay in the system before BW fixes the bug and removes the credits.

So yeah This isn't like the real economy. The exploits break the game for everyone - Good luck buying anything off the auction house if you have 50 thousand credits and everyone else has 50 million.

While you may enjoy the slow long grind of steady progression there are those out there that want to compete at the highest levels and are willing to do anything to get there. Just look at the world first WoW boss kills. There has not been a single expansion where there world's top guilds did not get caught exploiting in some fashion and were then later reprimanded 25 soulstones on lady vashj pre-nerf, DI razorgore, grenades on arthas, the whole wave that just got banned a few weeks ago for the spine exploit and it goes on.

Seriously get a life Says the guy using large type on a video game forum. It always causes an uproar and usually the rare goods prices inflate into ridiculous amounts for a while. Then after a few months nobody even remembers the bug anymore.

Dont think they have done rollbacks in any of the games since that would hurt the game even more then the economy. But interesting to see how Bioware handles this if at all. Dont really care that much. Some people won the lotto and are now filthy rich and I am not I think it still is a fairly small minority that got filthy rich.

Now some people are going to sell things in AH for far more then they are "worth" and they will also become fairly rich I'm sorry, I'm the kind that struggles and tries to earn things the long, hard correct way.

I went to the link but didn't understand what exactly the nature of the exploit was. Can someone explain it to me :. As a consumer we have this right to complain. To fix pretty much one issue? Hell why don't I just give you my paypal account info,and for starters send me I demand a response from bioware on this issue also. There was a link to it about 8 pages back. Do your homework befor you get indignant. Youre kidding right?

We never saw this dupe in beta.. I disagree. A piece of orange gear that was 5K creds three days ago is now selling for 50K creds, VZ server. In one month's time, the effect of these credits will be dissipated. It is simply not possible to obtain and distribute enough money in a couple of weeks to ruin an economy forever. Just like a bumper crop harvest, the food is eventually eaten, and the next season sees apples return to usual prices.

I think that the correct response on this issue would be the following: I would expect exploiters to be temporarily banned. It's not one person's fault. Temporarily banning players would ensure that the credits will not be spent, laundered buying lower value items and selling them again , etc. You can measure income rate per minute very easily. If you get millions of credits in a few minutes, something is clearly wrong, and that can be tracked. I've implemented systems similar to this before.

You might think that somebody should be perma-banned for this, but in reality it is not entirely their own fault. The nature of MMOs is that there should be safeguards against fast-gains as they're usually an indicator of cheating. We could go in to discussions similar to: "You're saying it's my fault I got shot because you left a gun out", but that wouldn't be helpful here, we must deal with it and move on.

I'm sure BioWare will not let this go unhandled, unpunished and unresolved. They clearly know about it since they've patched it now, the next thing to watch for is letting us know what is going on it'll come soon , and then we can all go back to playing the game we like so much. Assuming that the people who have money are just purely spending it and aren't using it to make more money. We could go in to discussions similar to: "You're saying it's your fault I got shot because you left a gun out", but that wouldn't be helpful here, we must deal with it and move on.

Is that why the people looting high level chests were banned? Economy exploits can absolutely ruin a game by destroying the economy. In an MMO the economy is very important and if millions upon millions of credits are allowed to flow into the game due to an exploit this early in the game it can have a very detrimental effect. I for one am absolutely in favor of BW taking whatever time they need to fix this. If that means rollbacks, so be it. Dude I amassed more than 20 million credits just for myself!

Good thing credits are completely useless in this game. OK there are a number of ways, limited only by intelligence, that someone with a lot of credits can change the economy. That doesn't work. I, poor gamer, put x material to sell for You, rich boy, buys my x material and all the x material there's on the market.

Then you put it a Then, i, again, poor guy, put my x material for Rich guy buys all x material on the market. Put x material at credits. I put it a credits. And go on and on and on Bad example. Its going to be like diablo, the currency is trading items for items. The real question is, how badly have your economies been hit? All the prices on my server have remained essentially the same. And probably will. Those who used the exploit should be smart enough to not be obvious with the spending of their credits.

The only way this wouldn't work is if there a unlimited supply of something that has a higher supply than demand, in which case he wouldn't choose to corner the market on that item in the first place. You know, at this point the only real way to fix the economy is to remove every single credit in circulation and reimburse players with a level-specific amount of credits for each character they have. For example, give level 20s 50k, level 40s k, level 50s k, etc.

It is unfair as all hell but it is also the only real solution. I doubt they can come back from this, damage is done, economy was ruined with the way slicing was, now with this aswell happening for weeks already. Nothing really being rare and easy to get hold of anyway. Economy was dead before launch, didn't stand a chance. Hot fix it, permaban the people who obviously know they are exploiting an unintended game element , and remove the credits from the economy.

Hammer time It doesn't matter whether it affects the economy or not - people broke the bloody rules and need to be punished for it. If they're not then I shall take it that as permission to do naughty stuff myself. If the credits are spent, transfered, used or laundered into other things and then sold again, then the cash flow will be semi impossible to trace easily without crazy amount of time put it. I doubt even half the exploiters will be punished or banned and even then most of them have spare account ready too go with there new credits.

I hope they do not pull a Trion and do nothing about the exploiters and hope we all just eventually stop talking about it. Congrats on having lots of fake money? What will someone do with it Sure it might imbalance the in game economy, but I can easily enjoy a game without ever looking at an auction house.

People who play these game to amass virtual fortunes make me LOL. Get back to me when you do it IRL. Exploiters SUCK bottom line Losers in real life, losers in game That is plain stupidty, oh i shouldn't go to jail for robbing a bank of their money, it is not my fault they leave the vault open during the day.

You all know that you can say NO If i see the price is too high for something And the most you all are speaking the most is clear you are talking about epic items It's only a game. You don't need to have the best of the best. This is not high school anymore. You don't gain credits to have the last epic item that everybody is speaking about. And the people haven't explained yet what the worse think yet to happen.

But without details. And please, don't forget that not all viewers are from North America like some dudes are doing. Do you know what bothers me the most? That i've reported dozens of bugs and NONE have been repaired. And the worst is that with every new patch there's more bugs and not less. After six years of development and one or two of beta But more important bugs like i can't continue playing the game because my character is stuck on a bugged quest isn't resolved.

But, no, please, continue crying for the game economy. Because it's so important :confused: that nobody can't explain how the exploits are affecting the servers. I still don't understand from reading the link how they were able to make so many millions in 30 sec. Someone pls explain this concept to me thanks :. I think most people are making too much a big deal about this..

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